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America, the New Third World?

Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:52 PM EST
politics, health-care, socialism, electorate, finance-reform
By TennisMom2
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No question that our country is very divided. Last time it was this divided we had the Civil War. Let's hope it doesn't happen again, ever.

Unfortunately, I don't see a reconciliation anytime soon. The GOP is doing the bidding of the voters who put them in office. Voters don't want to see poor people doing things like eating, receiving medical care or having a roof over their heads. They are 'sick and tired' of paying for poor people. They expect poor people to become educated and 'pull themselves up by their bootstraps' (reminiscent of 'let them eat cake', kinda).

That is the thrust of where the GOP is coming from. No mention of our two wars, our deficit beyond what Obama added to it (three trillion dollars), nothing beyond 'me me me'. 'Health care is not a right'. GOP supporters think we were all born yesterday, that laws and regulations which protect workers from the vagaries of Big Employers are a convenient afterthought, to be taken for granted.

This may not be rectified in our lifetimes. We may revert to the days of the Gilded Age, pre-revolutionary France, Russia or even Cuba. Workers will wonder why they live in hovels, why their children work beside them, why they die of treatable illnesses and why they are hungry. I wonder if the history books of the future will show them that they put themselves there.

Check out Arianna Huffington's new book, "Third World America", if you dare. The trend of political, economic and social life in the US is moving closer and closer to the scenario that prompted major overhaul of our laws to curb the excesses and abuses of the super-rich. The middle class in this country is being decimated by everything from taxes, costs of services, costs of housing and reduced incomes (if you don't believe that one, the facts are easily checked).

If the middle class should disappear, we will have the structure of a traditional Third World, populated by a small group of extremely wealthy families/individuals who control everything. We are not far from that point right now. The only cure, the only way to reverse this is for ordinary voters to realize what is happening and to understand which of our corrupt structure will at least attempt to do what is right for the general good.

So far the electorate showed some signs of it in 2008 but have been badly let down by the politicians, leading to the 2010 result. Let us hope that by 2012, at least one of the parties will show signs of grasping the full ramification of what needs to be done to provide equal opportunity and equal access to such basics as education, health care and properly reimbursed employment. None of this is currently present in this country.

In all these aspects the rest of the developed western world is far, far ahead of the US. It is notable that Canada, our northern neighbor, has seen very little of the economic downturn that we have experienced because they have more properly engineered laws which govern finance, health and education.

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TennisMom2

I can no longer blame the 'evil GOP' for their obtuse attitude. Voters put them in office for reasons of their own, namely, 'no more Welfare'. That is basically what you hear when you ask a republican what is the most important aspect of their agenda. So. Voters think all our problems will be solved if the poorest among us are tossed to the lions. Really. Fine, then. I'll just wait around for the Tooth Fairy.

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Reply#1 - Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:59 PM EST
IronLung

Yet you NEVER hear them speak against corporate welfare. They think it's fine to give billions to "defense contractors" and other large corporations, but if you mention helping a single mother buy groceries, they act like Satan is coming to destroy the Earth.

My question is: Why do conservatives (most of whom identify themselves as "Christians" or at least "believers") hate poor people so much? Why do they want, so badly, to watch poor women and children starve to death?

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#1.1 - Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:55 PM EST
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lisaed

Kathleen - it's a balancing act that exists between expansion of the federal govt/welfare state and the downward pressure that such places on private sector jobs. If that right balance is not struck there will be no improvement over the long term in this country's unemployment crises. Europe is the model of what NOT to do and Americans are watching. That said after decades of nanny state expansion Europe is moving away from that paradigm with leadership from the Merkels and Camerons of the world while Obama blindly pushes this country right toward that cliff (and you though the "ditch" was bad?) of a social democracy. We are a nation that was founded on the principle that we work (if we are able bodied) for what we have we do not sit back with our hands out to the federal govt. Obamacare is one giant new entitlement that is shifting billions of dollars away from our seniors toward the able bodied and which will begin in very short order bankrupting our already fiscally strapped state budgets. That's not the way to fix this country's problems vis a vis unemployment and the rising cost of healthcare.

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Reply#2 - Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:03 PM EST
IronLung

How come, with all the tax-cuts Bush gave the top 2% and corporations, unemployment continues to rise? The Right uses the lame, and laughable argument that "raising" (and by "raising" they mean "taking away tax gifts for the preferred") taxes on the top 2% would hinder job creation, while willingly ignoring the fact that the tax break on that same top 2% did not create any jobs, which led to this mess to begin with. If you don't collect taxes, and you don't create jobs to offset the lack of taxes you collect, you end up with a very small group of people having a disproportionate amount of the wealth. Maybe to some that is the "American Dream" but it is a dream that only a select few can hope to achieve, while the rest are told to suck it up, enjoy your very low-paying job, and stop whining about not being able to treat that brain tumor you have because we don't want longer lines for the wealthy.

You can't have your cake (low taxes) and eat it too (a booming economy). It's a pipe dream sold to you by those in the top 2%.

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#2.1 - Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:13 PM EST
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TennisMom2

Lisa, I respect you and your opinion. The fact that you are smart enough to see through the smokescreen presented consistently by the GOP and choose not to do so worries me more than Joe Six Pack who doesn't know any better.

As long as people like you ignore the wealth of information that is available and continue to believe what you choose to rather than the truth, we will continue on our downward spiral.

Sorry, but that's the fact, Jack.

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Reply#3 - Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:08 PM EST
caltha-palustris

TennisMom2

Great article. Thanks for the book recommendation...here's one for you. Put it on your favorite family financial analyst Christmas list. ;-)

I'll only say this...putting on my best Natalie Wood impersonation from Miracle on 34th Street...substituting "I believe...I believe...with..."this too shall pass...this too shall pass..."

Hey...speaking of 34th St...I wonder if Secretary LaHood will grant Santa Bloomberg federal dollars leftover from THE Tunnel and NJ's $270M federal debt, for Bloomy's proposal to run the number 7 MTA line from 34th Street to Secaucus...

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Reply#4 - Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:00 PM EST
LoneProgressive

The middle class in this country is being decimated by everything from taxes, costs of services, costs of housing and reduced incomes (if you don't believe that one, the facts are easily checked).

If the middle class should disappear, we will have the structure of a traditional Third World, populated by a small group of extremely wealthy families/individuals who control everything. We are not far from that point right now. The only cure, the only way to reverse this is for ordinary voters to realize what is happening and to understand which of our corrupt structure will at least attempt to do what is right for the general good.

I couldn't agree more.

Remember: Despite the tons of money that will be poured into the elections in 2012, we each have a Vote. One Person, One Vote. The poor outnumber the rich, we just need to realise it, and vote for our own best interests and not theirs.

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Reply#5 - Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:53 PM EST
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